


Ed Jager[/caption]
Certainly, my biggest impression of Mongolia is that Mongolia is a country of transition. I have worked in different countries around the world in the last 15 years, where the countries have also dealt with transition of some sort. Those include Indonesia, Peru, Brazil, even Afghanistan, but I don’t think I have seen quite the same level of transition in any of those countries that I am seeing here in Mongolia.
I have begun to understand that Mongolia is undergoing social transition, economic transition and political transition. Some of these transitions are long standing. Change in the country from an agricultural and nomadic country to a more urban and sedentary lifestyle was something which had already begun in the Soviet era, since the 1920s. But the political change that has taken place only in the last 25 years is perhaps the most fascinating; watching this country grapple with the principles of democracy. It’s one transition that is truly not yet complete. No one from outside would believe that it could happen in only 25 years. Our country has a democracy of 150 years. That’s how long it has taken us to get where we are today. Happily, I can say it's been 150 years of peaceful democracy as well, a claim very few countries around the world can make.
When you ask what Mongolians should do, my only thought would be to continue as you are now, and you need to continue to find that space in the world - for Mongolian democracy is strong and open - that is transparent, that is responsive, and that the electoral class really seeks to do what is best for the people of Mongolia.
I believe that as the transition continues from what we saw 25 years ago to what we will see 25 years from now, there will continue to be dramatic change and dramatic differences in terms of the way Mongolia operates.
We know that you are involved in various youth activities here, such as the International Classroom Connection program at the Youth Development Discovery Bridge last December. Mongolia is a youthful country. What work can be initiated by youth organizations in collaboration with the Embassy of Canada?
One of the delights of this job is the opportunity to meet with young people in Mongolia. As you say, Mongolia is a young country, and so it's also quite clear that the riches of Mongolia are its youth. There is a lot of talk about the mineral resources of Mongolia and how rich Mongolia is in that perspective. Quite frankly, I think the real wealth of Mongolia lies in the intelligence, enthusiasm, and hard work of its youth. I have had opportunities to interact with children as young as 10 and 12 years old, but I've also had quite pleasant opportunities to meet with people in their twenties and thirties. I really do believe that the future of Mongolia, and the reason why I am convinced as to its continued growth and success, is because of a strength I see in these young people, whether they are 10, 20, or 35 years old.
And while we do not have formal programs that directly link the embassy to these youth, through the Canada Fund for Local Initiatives, we grant and support projects from youth organizations and NGOs. Since 1997, we've funded over 430 projects throughout Mongolia. Moreover, I will continue to look for opportunities to interact and to share our background and the experiences of Canada with the Mongolian youth, where we came from. But also, frankly, I can learn from you. I think Canada and Canadians need to have a better understanding of Mongolia, and how different it is from its neighbors. Mongolia is a small country far away, and does not have a lot of profile on the Canadian scene. That is a natural outcome of geography and the reality of the world. But at the same time, I would like very much for Canadians to have a better understanding that Mongolia is not a country just like one of its Asian neighbors, but that Mongolia is a different kind of place; a bright place and a hopeful place, despite the weather some days. It’s a place that Canadians need to know more about.
Can you give us the approximate number of visas that were granted to Mongolians last year? Among them, what percentage of them are for study, immigration, and other reasons?
The numbers are not available to me right now, as we have a separate visa application center in Ulaanbaatar that forwards the applications to our consulate in Hong Kong. However, I know that there is an increasing number of Mongolians who are visiting Canada each year. Especially as more and more Mongolian students are choosing Canada to get the best education in the world. The majority of visa applications get approved. Applicants who provide accurate information and honest answers that fully demonstrate the reasons for their travel and their intention to return receive visas. In the other direction, the number of Canadians visiting Mongolia also appears to be increasing. This two-way exchange of people contributes to people-to-people engagement and an enhanced understanding of each other’s culture.
On Twitter, you've mentioned things that you don't enjoy in Ulaanbaatar, such as air pollution, of course. What other things annoy you here?
The pollution is, of course, something we all would like to be diminished. I believe we would also prefer a little less traffic on the roads, but I am lucky that I do not need to be jammed in traffic. I walk from my place to my office in 10 minutes. If I have meetings in the center, I just walk. The city center is walk-able and I like to walk around. Generally speaking, the city is safe to walk, and sometimes sidewalks make it little harder to walk, but I walk year round. Compare that, for example, with my experience in another city where I had to drive for half an hour to cross the street because the traffic was really bad. You couldn’t walk there because it was too hot, complicated, dangerous and uncomfortable, but I don't have any of those issues in UB.
For young people who would appreciate studying and working in Canada, what skills does that require?
First of all, Mongolians need to be able to speak either one of the official languages of Canada, we are speaking today English, but of course, Canada is also a French speaking country. So it’s important that a Mongolian has a language capacity for one of these languages. Beyond that, of course, Canada is a country seeking and welcoming immigrants from countries all around the world, and it has a diverse economy with a wide range of needs and skills. We are certainly looking for people with skills in the high tech sector, in computer sciences, and the education sector. As well, we are looking for people with skills in the manufacturing sector. It comes down to specific skills, and it depends on the economic needs at a particular time. In fact, our government puts information on a website that provides a list of high demand jobs in Canada.
Mongolians are eager to learn foreign languages, including French, since Canada is officially a bilingual country. Are there any activities related to language or cultural programs that encourage people to learn French?
Specifically, at the embassy, no. But, yes, in cooperation with Francophone partners here such as Alliance Francaise de Mongolie, which is an important partner to us. Every year, in the month of March, they put together a whole month of activities for the public relating to the promotion of the French language, Francophone Month, and we participate and provide some films and Quebec movies. My colleague participated in the opening of the event and I went to the final event at the end of last month. We cooperate and participate in activities with other French speaking countries' representatives, such as the French Embassy and the Swiss Agency for Development and Cooperation. And the good news is that the quality of the French that Mongolians are learning is very good. There is good French language teaching here for students to be able to learn French. The result is that young people are participating in French speaking activities and doing it very well, and it is very impressive. There are a lot of Canadians who would wish to speak French as well as some Mongolians do.
You have been interacting and communicating daily with Mongolians. Besides the hospitality and easygoing manner of the people, what do you think we can change?
On a personal level, Mongolians are wonderful people to meet with. Their directness, a level of respect, a sense of humor, and resilience are really appealing aspects of the Mongolian character, and I really enjoy my interactions with Mongolians because of all those aspects. I find that if you deal with Mongolians with respectful directness, it is reciprocated very quickly. I am not sure I am in the position to be able to suggest what you can change, but I think this is a fascinating country to live in because of its people most of all. The countryside is beautiful, the politics are interesting, and commerce offers interesting opportunities, but Mongolia’s people really make it a great place to live.
How have you adjusted to the daily lifestyle here, such as the food you eat? Are you a big meat eater in cold weather?
Of course, I haven’t completely adapted to all aspects of the Mongolian lifestyle and cooking, but certainly, I have had delightful opportunities to sample it from time to time. I have had to adapt to life in Mongolia a little bit, like wearing even warmer clothes in winter time than I do in Canada, but I actually find the adaptation is very straightforward. It is very possible to live a life here in UB which is very similar to the life I lived in Canada. The biggest problem for me is not in adapting to what I have to deal with here, but in adapting to being far away from my family. My wife has things to do and has adapted to Mongolian life very well, and she enjoys city life and outdoor activities here. We are very happy here. We just wish some of our five children were living here with us.
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